UPDATE 12/1/2007 - I’ve been thinking more about this topic, and I’m reliazing that this is probably too limited a concectulaization of this whole idea. I’m going to ratiocenate more about it and write an updated post at another time. What’s really important any way is loving God, loving people, and staying connected to/through the holy spirit.
Extract: God can predict the future very accurately but does not know absolute certainties of future events. These predictions have higher confidence in some areas than others based on the amount of influence of free will beings. God gave us (mankind) free will because without free will we can not be moral agents.
That God changes in some respects implies that God is temporal, working with us in time. God, at least since creation, experiences duration. [1]God is everlasting through time rather than timelessly eternal. Once he chose to create the universe, time existed regardless of it’s prior state, and God has experienced it’s flow. After the lengthy creation process (I’m a “day” is a period of time not 24 hours person, see: http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/genesis.htm for statistical proofs), he creates free-will agents, humans, in his image to rejoice with him in his creation. At that point he has removed a degree of certainty from the future, because as John Elseth states, (in order to be in God’s image, indeed capable of good)
” You may keep your boy’s hands out of mischief by tying them behind his back, but to the extent to which this takes away from him the power of doing wrong, to the very same extent does it deprive him the power of doing right. To ask why God did not give Adam a more perfect will is as absurd as to ask why the square has not been endowed with the properties of a circle. God could not have given Adam a more perfect will. Every will is a perfect will. The perfection of a will consists , not in being able to choose only one course, but in being able to choose either of two courses. Right-doing is praiseworthy just because it implies that wrong doing might have been done but was not. To make a man virtuous is an impossibility even for an omnipotence. To make a man virtuous is a contradiction of terms. A forced goodness is always a contradiction of terms. Omnipotence, it must always be remembered , is not the power to do the impossible; it is the power to do all possible things. A man might be divinely compelled to refrain from evil, but if he were so compelled, there would be no moral value in his refraining. Hence compelling him to refrain form evil is not, after all, compelling him to be virtuous. A virtuous character can not be bestowed upon any one by a creative act from without. It must be the outcome of his own free will within. God can create innocent beings, every child that is born into the world is innocent; but He cannot create a perfect character, for character is the result of a man’s own voluntary choice.
The origin of evil, then, just like the origin of good, lies in the power of choice. God must have been (if I may so state) necessitated, by His very goodness, to create beings capable of goodness. Such beings must be free. This freedom carries with it the possibility of sin. It lies in the very nature of things–that if there is free choice the possibility of good and evil must exist”
So in order to create beings in his image they must have free will. That free will led to sin/evil. God from the issuance of free will may no longer know any of the future as it relates to man because free will creates variables in the equation. However, God can predict, with a high level of precision, what ones actions may be. This is true of everything. The closer to the present the higher the degree of confidence in the probabilities. Also the further removed from the variable the higher the degree of confidence. In other words, human beings actions have scope. (see Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger) The amount by which our actions affect other people and things. So people and things that are far away from me are not as readily affected by my actions. For instance a planet in a galaxy on the other side of the universe is not affected by what I choose to eat for lunch in any appreciable way at this moment in time. However, it could have an effect in 10 million years because of the chain of events it unleashes in the present. In the lunch example, I chose to eat at a cafeteria, that decision made the owner money, it employed people that worked there, my simple being there as a person in line changed the timing of peoples days, what I chose to eat meant that someone else could not have it (perhaps they ran out later). This effect cascades out from there on every choice we make. Perhaps, the person I made late, didn’t get hit by a car and so taught a class on Physics later on to a brilliant child that found some new principals that opened the door to further development that in 10 million years means that we’ll be visiting that planet. So while you could deal with ALMOST absolute certainty with certain object for a specified time, beyond a certain point humanities free will sphere of influence grows. So God knowing all possibilities can predict the next 10 min, 1year 10 years, 100 years quite accurately on that planet across the universe, however the more local influences of my lunch choice while predictable are far more dynamic. In other words, my actions on a local scale and their immediate interactions with other free will agents makes earth a quandary that is very difficult to predict indeed. Not by any means impossible for God, who know the thoughts and intents and the histories of all humans at once, but it makes it harder to know with certainty precisely what will happen next on a longer time line.
Now obviously God is greater than humans in immediate knowledge and thus because of that knowledge can predict very accurately over a much longer time line than we can. This is because God knows everything that is and was and he can predict much of what will be, however they are just probable possibilities until they occur and become knowable fact. The end of days is interesting in that God determines when the event occurs but it seems that it will occur at a point when man has, unfortunately achieved the markers set forth in Revelation.
Let me be clear, we do not control God. As the creator of the universe he has the option to end our free will at once and destroy everything, it would seem against his nature to do this though. (See God sparing places for the sake of a righteous person) God by creating the universe with a certain set of rules, while still being the MOST powerful, MOST knowledgeable and the MOST GOOD; created a schema for the way this reality will function. He also seems to work within the bounds of this physical reality in most cases. This, as mankind has progressed has led some people to call “miracles-workers” charlatans. To me when Isaiah called fire down on those that came to kill him as he sat upon the hilltop, it very well could be that God cause very targeted meteor fall to land right there at that moment. Other than solving where the hell fire and brimstone came from, I see no problem with this interpretation, it would take a miracle of God for a man, in God’s name to speak and cause asteroids to fall. Use of objects from physical reality does not lessen the miraculous nature of the event, but shows God’s own desire to use his creation on itself to his own end (and for OOP’s out there like data crunching data- lol ed.). To me the explanation of miracles through our limited scientific means, simply reflects that God knows a lot more about the physical universe than we do; most miracles can’t be replicated today by any means and future replication doesn’t negate their significance from the past or their importance in the present.
More quotes from “Did God Know?” by Elseth - See my post on “Good?”
“If we use the word goodness as a synonym for God, we must remember that God is good because He chooses to be good. If we say that God is simply a “blob” of good in the sky who can do nothing but good, because He is good, you then destroy the factor of choice. If you eliminate choice you eliminate virtue. This would make God no different than a machine operating out of necessity in proportion to the quality of its construction and the ability of its operator”
Also, some quick caveats here:
In this article, Greg Boyd, Open Theist refutes John Piper (http://www.twtministries.com/articles/9_openness/piper.html)
I have a problem with Greg’s statement in this paragraph:
“Third, I have no difficulty affirming that God can and does at times unilaterally intervene and work in a coercive way to bring about a certain state of affairs. I would only add that a) he doesn’t do this all the time, and b) he doesn’t coercively use persons in violation to the character they have acquired by their choices and then hold these persons morally responsible for what he made them do.”
Any direct coercive intervention would break the foundations of open theism; in so much as if it ever occurs in this fashion, to bring about a desired result… ends cannot be seen to justify the means; a forced goodness is always a contradiction of terms. In the same vein though, when God “hardens pharaohs heart” to me that is God stepping back, which is his choice and allowing Pharaoh to follow his nature. This could also allow demons more direct access.? I still hold that if Pharaoh had at any point dropped down and said, “Holy is the LORD woe is me and my inequity, God grant me grace for my transgressions.” The LORD may have spared Egypt some plagues; besides Pharaoh had lots of opportunities to let the Israelites go; he CHOSE not to.
I’ll caveat on myself now. Once we are Christians and ask God to take a dominate and controlling interest in our lives through the Holy Sprint, we have invited God to do life with us. This results in a blending of wills wherein our old self dies and we are recreated is a new person in Christ. Can we still choose to go against God? Sure, we all sin and fall short and will continue to do so until the LORD comes again. However, I’m comforted in knowing that I’m loved by God and that as one of his own, he will pursue me when I stray, even if he directs events to occur that would seem to invite the assumption of causality.
The final piece on this is PRAYER. Open theists, which I will now state, I generally agree with but not completely, hold that since the future is unknown prayer has POWER. The kind of power the Jesus professed that it had and has. I’m fascinated and want to look into further how praying about someones choices might provide God a pathway by which to exert his power through the holy sprint. Ex. I was far from God and I had a lot of my family praying for me, and I believe that that prayer had a lot of influence in bringing me to where I am today, even perhaps in violation of my free will. I’m conflicted in a way because when Saul was on the road to Damascus (whoops to much WOW almost put Darnassus) he was blinded by the LORD and asked why he was persecuting Jesus’s people. Some pretty direct intervention there. But that presupposes that God acted of his own accord only. If there was a man that was persecuting Christians today, should our response not be to pray for him to receive Christ’s grace? How many martyr stories are there where those that held the believers captive were themselves converted. God responds to our prayers and I’m very fascinated and intrigued by the interplay of this… So, whose to say the early church was not praying for his conversion as well, prayer for your enemies is powerful.
[1] Opentheism.info